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pullingpower 13/07/2006 23:11:54	Not meaning to be a spoil sport and the sag does sound great but some very dodgy driving and this chap is heading for an accident surely? One hand steering, gear change and breaking through corners rather than before, crossing hands and speeding in what is clearly a residential area. Not the way to drive this powerful rear wheel beast I think. I'm not impressed....
loach 13/07/2006 23:32:37	Agree 100%. Lovely car, annoying rattle, very poor driving. Edit - Feel a bit mean about my comment, so would agree with the sentiment below that a bit of advanced training would probably sort things out quickly. Edited by loach on Thursday 13th July 23:51
vonhosen 13/07/2006 23:36:19	Looked pretty much what I'd expect a large number of people drive like.
Davey S2 13/07/2006 23:38:48	Not the best but he wasnt exactly hammering it. Nothing a day with Car Limits wouldnt cure.
Philbes 14/07/2006 00:56:14	Car seems to have a dodgy gearbox - he has to hold it in gear for much of the time!
Parrot of Doom 14/07/2006 01:06:26	Whenever I drove my Chim hard, I treated the gearstick like a hot potato, and the steering wheel like a cold soothing balm I think that guy will one day find himself going backwards through a dry stone wall. Or a bus stop.
speedy_thrills 14/07/2006 03:05:53	What’s that irritating beeping sound as he turns? Drive for the road you can see PHers, there where a few corners there that he couldn’t have stopped if he had come across a tractor/cow/broken down vehicle etc. I like the crackle of the engine overrunning
jasandjules 14/07/2006 08:44:42	It didn't seem as bad as I was expecting. Didn't seem to be driving as fast as I would expect, though he did appear to cross the white lines rather a lot and drive round blind bends a bit dodgily. A couple of corners, did he change gear whilst on the apex? Bit of a lack of awareness on how to control the car..
sa_20v 18/07/2006 12:27:21	Cringe...not how i'd drive such a car. Sagaris is an easy car to drive, but a hard car to drive safely. I don't believe in feeding the wheel, but his hands position, mid corner braking/changing gear is the quickest way to a whole lotta pain.
Yex 18/07/2006 13:15:15	Not impressive. As mentioned by all above, do not change gear mid corner, strange application of throttle and very dodgy hand position on wheel on too many occassions. From the sound of the video the car was brushing the hedges on the passenger side on a few occassions, not a sign of decent driving, plus a lot of the time the guy was going too fast to stop in the distance he could actually see. As the advert used to say....Power is nothing without control. As detailed by many people on PH get some driving lessons before you get lots of horses. Just my 2p worth Yex
Mr Whippy 18/07/2006 14:03:23	I didn't really see much wrong with that to be honest Half the time he must have been at about 1/8th throttle just holding the revs high for no reason except showboating, so changing gear is hardly a problem at those speeds... Maybe if he was hard on the power and lifting off with one hand on the wheel or at high speed and changing down making the revs flare while mid-bend then fair enough. In all honesty you'd have to be there to know properly, but if you can't change gear at 2/10ths around a bend (assuming you've got adequate visibility etc) then you'll have problems changing gear in a straight line assuming good visibility etc. Not a "pro" driver myself but that looked like tootling around letting the exhaust make it look quick. Remember a TVR is loud, had that been inside a comfy Vauxhall Omega manual diesel with extra sound proofing it wouldn't have looked anywhere near as "dramatic", and likely you'd have not given a crap. The camera having a narrow field of view looking down means you can't see the road ahead or his sight lines... Not saying it's not bad, but lets not just assume it is because it's loud and appears from a badly angled camera that it's rapid. Thinking a car is travelling quickly simply because it sounds loud is the worst preconception to make about that kind of car. Edit: Crikey, just watched "In Car Footage from Sagaris" Sorry, that one is a little bit more iffy than the other linked one. I thought he was about to crash twice, the blind brow 35s in and then the left with a hand off the wheel and a right changing gear told me why your all saying what your saying Dave Edited by Mr Whippy on Tuesday 18th July 14:09
Fruitcake 18/07/2006 14:19:31	On off the throttle round corners, rarely having two hands on the wheel, cutting blind bends and when he did have both hands on the wheel he looked reminiscent of someone sitting in an armchair reading a paper. It wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be though.
road angel a 18/07/2006 14:41:50	Yex said: ....Power is nothing without control. Yex Brilliant! Love it! So true... which is why we see a lot of people driving fast cars, slowly. That is because they appreciate the style, build quality and noise of the engine but they also know their limits. Advanced driving courses followed by track days with instructor is the way forward to refining your control! Oh yes and some people are just naturally crap drivers so they dont stand a chance. xx
KB_S1 18/07/2006 15:03:03	Agree with most. Needs to forget the 'trial and error' aspect and get some professional training.
sagaris22 20/07/2006 21:42:30	i hadnt realised so many thought my driving was poor as never saw comments !! 1. The car was barely moving along a road i've driven for the past 30 years and hence why i could and knew where i was going at all times. 2. The car never touched the side it was the road chips scattering up from the tyres 3.The rattle is the rear window and annoying noise in the indicator obv !! 4.No accidents in 25 yrs to date guys hate to dissapoint you all !! my feelings are i was driving very safely again on a road i know very, very, well indeed, i'll drive like an idiot when i know the roads closed with nothing coming the other way. That was a national speed limit to a 40 and if u look i wasnt doing more than 40 till shortly b4 the nsl sign out of the built up 40mph area where there was no danger. 5. the gear box is the long travel and not close ratio my only annoyance also i will conceede but i am going to get the 3.7 gearbox and close ratio gear box into car asap when money allows The video was done as a little trial at doing it tis all and not a lesson in my driving ability which im sure would match and better most anytime..no not a boast, just an observation at 30 yrs accident free totally and not a speeding ticket to date also as well as no other penalty points at all ever !! if i wanted to drive at a race track i would but please don't try and tell me how to drive my own car safely as one comment made stated..u werent there and i wasnt hammering it either.. maybe next time when u drive slowly see if ur hand falls onto gear stick and rubs yar nose lol regards sagaris22
Balmoral Green 20/07/2006 21:52:20	Nice come back Rodger Edited by Balmoral Green on Thursday 20th July 21:52
Paul-C 20/07/2006 22:00:35	Nice try but no cigar. Cant believe you posted the vid
Hollywood Wheels 20/07/2006 22:48:30	sagaris22 said: i hadnt realised so many thought my driving was poor Hate to tell you this matey, but you're driving is very poor. Keep your head in the sand though, hey, after all, you've driven that road for thirty years so you must be safe.......
sagaris22 21/07/2006 09:41:31	Ah well guys good to know so many good drivers out there also !! Actually having just watched sir jackie stewart driving round knockhill in a advert for the speefair weekend this weekend ... funnily i noticed his hand on gear stick for long periods of time , his hand waving in the air and also speaking and looking at his passenger mind u i'm sure you could pick up his driving ability since were all better than JS !! eh not ...i think.Im sure also when i watched the f1 grand prix last weekend minchael shumi had both hands of the wheel waving at the crowd b4 hed passed the line and afterwards .. darn bad drivers these guys for sure wo betide em ever doing some in car footage for tvr nuts eh !! Not a boast again guys but i'll put my driving ability against anyones , advanced driver or not as driving is about road sense,awareness and car control and i sure as hell dont see my ass end sliding and drifting out when i think i'd obv have both hands on the wheel as well as be going a bit harder than i was, which was quite sedate and as mr whippy says the noise of the car as well as camera angle appear far faster than actually it was.But it did say first attempt at trying this out tis all. regards rodger
10 Pence Short 21/07/2006 10:17:26	sagaris22 said: Actually having just watched sir jackie stewart driving round knockhill in a advert for the speefair weekend this weekend ... funnily i noticed his hand on gear stick for long periods of time , his hand waving in the air and also speaking and looking at his passenger mind u i'm sure you could pick up his driving ability since were all better than JS !! eh not ...i think.Im sure also when i watched the f1 grand prix last weekend minchael shumi had both hands of the wheel waving at the crowd b4 hed passed the line and afterwards Of course, both these drivers, on track, would be likely to experience narrow lanes, traffic coming the other way and hazards around blind bends. I think not.
MikeyT 21/07/2006 10:19:45	Just watched it with sound off (at work) and to be honest he's not going as quick as you think - the camera gives a distorted view of the road ahead and isn;'t what he can see. I regularly drive with one hand low down on the wheel on a motorway - for miles in fact (not on country roads when pressing on, mind). I'll reserve judgement until I see it at home with the sound up.
phil1979 21/07/2006 10:32:33	With sound: One hell of a milk float
sagaris22 21/07/2006 10:32:57	quote "i'll drive like an idiot when i know the roads closed with nothing coming the other way." since i wasnt driving like an idiot and neither were SJS or MS was exactly my point !!
10 Pence Short 21/07/2006 10:35:04	sagaris22 said: quote "i'll drive like an idiot when i know the roads closed with nothing coming the other way." since i wasnt driving like an idiot and neither were SJS or MS was exactly my point !! No- your point was that if racing drivers on track could their hands off the wheel, then so could you driving on the public road.
sagaris22 21/07/2006 10:45:39	no my point wasnt that it was if your driving easily within your limits and ability whether race track or not.. we all have and do "bad habits" hell tiff needell and the rest talk during balls out drving !! this is fun guys i have to say i'm enjoying this for sure
10 Pence Short 21/07/2006 10:50:52	I would have said that if you're driving in excess of 40 mph on those twisty lanes, and came across an unexpected hazard, one hand on the wheel might not be enough to be in proper control. A race driver on a slow lap is unlikely to encounter such hazards.
WildCards 21/07/2006 11:03:04	Why are people so quick to judge? live and let live guys. The camera angle was far from ideal to be making such disparaging comments, and how many of you are 'good' drivers?
tombstone 21/07/2006 11:16:06	I agree with a lot of comments posted... a) not ideal to see your face if filming yourself whilst driving like that b) at least look as though you have half an idea if it all goes horribly wrong etc etc... not that impressed to see speed like that on those sorts of road,, yes I admit to "driving enthusiastically officer" but learnt my lesson (westfield v8) the hard way (read, backwards, greasy roundabout, large wall, nearly breaking neck...) hope this guy survives the one he will have...
castex 21/07/2006 11:17:45	Sherrif John Burrell said: This perp thinks he can drive thru turns with one hand on the wheel. Well, he's gonna need both hands at the ready for his next road trip...To federal pound-me-in-the-ass jail. Alastair Stewart said: This demonic death driver later claimed that the sound of roadside foliage slapping into his rear-wheel beast was in fact road chips scattering up from the tyres. Well, for this saggy gambler the chips are well and truly down. /haven't seen the vid
sagaris22 21/07/2006 11:21:30	I do agree ,however, as one person said re camera angle and drivers angle differant , also i did state i've driven that road for 30 yrs and am sure my road awareness skills are aware of hazards and potential hazards also as well as had havign just been along the road before turning video camera on gave a good insight to the potential and current road situation i actually think the noise of exhausts directly below and outward of camera kinda gives feeling off far faster than u guys reckon as i held the car in gears to allow audio of exhaust note to be heard and one thing the camera doesnt pick up is the overrun and spluttering of the car although im workign on that with an outside mic at the moment.. hell god knows critiscm ill get for that lol regards rodger
tybalt 21/07/2006 11:29:17	Don't see how you can judge driving from a video clip of that quality.
Aerofoil 21/07/2006 11:43:01	I can't believe Piston Heads isn't inundated by professional racing drives (successful) with all the alleged mastery of the art of driving. The guy wasn't really going that fast, are you telling me when you driving down roads you know well you never relax your driving, especially when pottering along? If he had been using the full power of the car at its limits then you are correct on the driving, but that was not at the limits. Give the guy a break, at least you got to listen to the car, if he had been doing doughnuts in McDonalds car park then have a dig!
sagaris22 21/07/2006 11:44:45	Having read more comment it would appear theres a group of advanced drivers with fast cars who never break the speed limit on the highways !! as well as a blend of people who enjoy a little blast when the chance occurs i'll need to try to remember next time when im out and gotta boy racer in his suked up corsa(no offence to corsa owners) i stop and wave him on when the road allows off course i am the first person to comply and adopt road sense i assure all of u of that and at the most the car was 15 % above nsp for short stretches in third and im sure all of u cant say u dont do that now and then as i thought that was the wholeaim of a quick car was to allow it to run at times as pointless otherwise, i knew i should have got an ariel atom 300!! i kinda rest my case guys as was done solely as a a bitta insight into the noise and response of the car .. i know i should have had camera running when i was in flight with a testarossa last weekend .. would have got some abuse for that chase/footage for sure !! thanks aerofoil my feelings exactly as stated regards rodger
mazzer3.2 21/07/2006 14:10:07	I didn't see much wrong with Rogers driving in the video. Or may PH is just full of perfect drivers; who's hands never leave the wheel; ever, or accelerate prior to the NSL sign etc. etc. Get real everybody, I'm sure we could all pick holes in videos of everybodies driving.....it's the easiest thing in the world to have an opinion!
Yugguy 21/07/2006 14:13:38	Crossing hands????? VBRJ for sure.
aranell 21/07/2006 19:26:13	God you must have the itchiest chin (watch the clip)! Without being funny, doesn't matter if you've driven for 25 years - you simply won't drive for 25yrs in something like a Sagaris.
optimal noise 21/07/2006 19:44:17	He's kindly posted a clip of what it's like to be behind the wheel of a Sagaris something that not all will ever experience. Give the the guy a break.
ApexClipper 21/07/2006 20:19:48	Rodger, were you up at Doune a few weeks with a bunch of other TVR drivers? It was on the Sunday - the TVR's, along with the Capri's went up the hill on a parade?
MikeyT 24/07/2006 01:51:10	Just watched it again with the sound up - what's the problem? Didn't so ajnything we all don't do a 1000 times ... If I had one of them, I'd be driving it just like that (well, some of the time!)
baSkey 24/07/2006 08:43:59	MikeyT said: Just watched it again with the sound up - what's the problem? Didn't so ajnything we all don't do a 1000 times ... If I had one of them, I'd be driving it just like that (well, some of the time!) i watched it last night. given the speeds i didn't think there was anything particularly dangerous. i'd like to think the mid corner gearchanging and general CarinaII minicab steering was only because he's going slowishly and so i shall give master sagairs 22 the benefit of the doubt (if not it's more luck than judgement that you haven't had a bump! ).
Mr Whippy 24/07/2006 10:04:37	castex said: Sherrif John Burrell said: This perp thinks he can drive thru turns with one hand on the wheel. Well, he's gonna need both hands at the ready for his next road trip...To federal pound-me-in-the-ass jail. Alastair Stewart said: This demonic death driver later claimed that the sound of roadside foliage slapping into his rear-wheel beast was in fact road chips scattering up from the tyres. Well, for this saggy gambler the chips are well and truly down. /haven't seen the vid Ahhhh classic Dave

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